Politics....Hummmm?

RiddlemeBre · New Member Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 7

During the recent years our society has experienced the following:

Record high gas prices
Record low stock declines
Little to no or ambigious responses to requests for information on Iraq.

In the recent months our society is experiencing:

Dramatic drops in gas prices
Record high stock increases
Bush openly speaking about a "plan"

Could the timing be more than just a coincidence? Elections right around the corner. Or am I just politicaly peranoid? I expected the Iraq discussions but am I crazy for thinking that Dow Jones could be tampered with?

Unclever title · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

I don't know about the tamperability of the Dow Jones, but what use would there be for a conspiracy? At least in terms of Bush, isn't he in a second term? And isn't he a president with generally low popularity?

So what woould the purpose be of a conspiracy?

Perhaps contrary to many people's expectations Bush just did a great job with the economy, and the war in the middle east has caused OPEC to lose a little of it's monpoly, and Bush happens to be saying what he's doing.

In other words Bush came in did some of his stuff, a big tragedy occured, Bush responded with a plan and a war, and now we're reaping the benefits.

I never think that war should be rushed, and the loss of life can never be fully justified, but a tyrant has been deposed, and a country is in the process of being liberated. So... where's the conspiracy?

Sorry if what I just said was in anyway overly rude, I mean no attack to any person who reads this, but these are my oppinions.

Uplink_Agent · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:22 am Post subject:

[quote="Unclever title"]

but a tyrant has been deposed, and a country is in the process of being liberated.[/quote]

Which tyrant and which country?

http://anchorweb.org/content/view/1110/[url]

Unclever title · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:23 am Post subject:

Uplink_Agent, thank you for that information, I was unaware of it.

Specifically I was talking about Iraq, but in reality I try to stay out of politics so I'm less informed than others.

I suggest that everyone viewing this page click the link above and read the information therein, it is pretty shocking to those who are uninformed of it.

But at the same time it is also understandable. After 9/11 people were scared, scared enough to give up a portion of their freedom for security, this has happened periodically throughout the history of the world and will undoubtedly happen again.

Is this a travesty? No it is not.

Americans put far too much value in freedom, yes it's great to be able to do what you want and being able to speak freely is essential for the general population to have a say in government, but do you need freedom to live? No. Do you need it to enjoy life, no. It certainly helps, but it is not necessary.

Societies and people have survived without it in the past and will continue to.

Also, freedom has it's downsides. Ever heard the phrase, "give an inch and they'll take a mile?" It's human nature! Freedom leads to individual oppinions, individuals will almost certainly have different oppinions, some will hold these strongly, and some will hold them strongly enough to induce violence, from violence comes more violence adn then the government has to step in and limit freedoms so that peace can be restored.

Don't forget, compared to many societies, the U.S. is still just a wee toddler, not even three centuries old. If you want to see the doom of a society, then look at ancient Rome. It was initially a monarchy, then it was a republic, that republic then dissintegrated and three men took power over the entire Mediterrainian, soon they fought amongst themselves, and one man took power, an emporer by the name of Caesar.

Now look at the U.S. for none too long it was simply a set of colonies under a monarch far away, now it's a free country, but for how long?
When will the freedom of the U.S. undermine itself?

But understand, the after Caeser took power, things began to improve for the Romans. So freedom isn't the best situation as it will fail.

So what then, go for a dictatorship? Well, if you could find a person that cared more for his country than himself, and was infallible, then yes. As it is, no such mortal exists in our world, so a system that limits one's faults is best. The U.S. has such a system, but will it last, Most likely not.

What was my point? Um... Oh yes! I think for sure that the Habeas Corpus (click the link) should be reinstated. However I do not think it was an act of treason, it seemed like a good move at the time, perhaps it helped, perhaps it didn't. But what is Bush other than a man? He also is susceptable to failure, I happen to think he's made more correct choices than wrong, and I thinkl that perhaps a temporary increase in federal power can be very beneficial, though a single step can lead to collapse, I do not believe this one will.

Bush is no tyrant, even if he were he wouldn't stand a chance as one, he's not popular enough. While gaining power, Hitler was the hero of Germany, the people loved him. Not enough people love Bush for the same to happen, besides he's not the type to dominate a government, this last part, is based mostly on intuition from hearing him speak, no not the accent, his mannerisms. He seems fairly humble to me, full with american pride for the country, but as an individual, humble.

Eesh... I'm rather long winded, wouldn't you say?